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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the essay

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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i am george knapp listening to that ufo

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podcast and having

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy

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and just before we get to this week's

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pod i wanted to take a few minutes to

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speak to you without the guest on the

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line i've not done one of these

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intros recorded separately for a while

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so just thought i'd give you some

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updates while i had the chance

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uh before we get to stephen bassett who

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is the guest this week on the podcast

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and it is part one of part two

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and let me explain why stephen i don't

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direct the conversation as best i can so

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there's a lot to digest and taken from

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from stephen bassett's talk i have split

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as the listener questions along with a

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the show's history but it was great

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absorbed in it too it has

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february was a massive month obviously

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interview which i'm sure most of you

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got amazing feedback from that and lewis

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just now

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so make sure you're checking those out

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lessons so thank you so so much

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i've just released the george knapp

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interview on youtube so you can see the

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there as well so you can jump back and

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more time because life gets in the way

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and lastly um the podcast is coming up

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of skinwalker ranch which kicks off

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well you will have heard lastly that

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i see lastly this is i've said lastly

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twice now but you know sue me

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don't sue me i have been

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working and in contact with the people

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for me the opportunity to speak to some

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massive and there are people on there

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i am under no pressure of who i need to

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i'll certainly be doing that but if

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there's anyone you want to hear

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please get in touch with me and tell me

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thanks for listening to me folks before

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play a quick message from dave partridge

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and thank you very much hope you enjoyed

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part one of the interview look out for

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part two with stephen bassett in a few

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days time folks

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have you ever looked up to the skies and

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seen something you can't explain

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or walk deep in the forest and sense

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something watching you

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hidden veil that can communicate with

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the living

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bassett who as the executive director

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i i got involved in 1996 it's been 25

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um i hadn't really engaged the issue

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in 1996 i i volunteered to work for dr

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harvard psychiatrist that had taken that

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engage contactees and and talk to them

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he set up an organization called program

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what's going on so they they wasn't that

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which is a big article and that's it

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that launched

283
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my how would you say career as an

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activist engaging this issue

285
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and the rest is history why did i choose

286
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that route

287
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because i came to realize

288
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that all those years i've been hearing

289
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about the issue but yet

290
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there was no resolution there was

291
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nothing coming from the government

292
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was all very strange didn't make sense

293
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but what do you do you go on with your

294
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i came to realize that the reason there

295
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was no resolution about what this

296
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phenomenon was

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in spite of the fact that plenty of

298
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things kept turning up that were quite

299
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compelling was not because there wasn't

300
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enough scientific evidence

301
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it wasn't about science it hadn't been

302
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for a long time

303
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the presence of the ets was confirmed to

304
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the united states government no later

305
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than 1947.

306
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so what's going on what's going on was

307
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there was a decision to embargo this

308
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issue

309
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for national security reasons a legal

310
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national security policy

311
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enforced strongly but not

312
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for coning in an endocrine fashion like

313
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you we see in some authoritarian

314
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countries

315
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they weren't shooting people they they

316
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just came up with some very clever ways

317
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working from within the military

318
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intelligence complex

319
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to simply keep it under wraps

320
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a political decision and therefore the

321
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resolution required a political

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solution and i said okay

323
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i'm gonna go to washington and and try

324
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to resolve the et issue

325
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through political means and there

326
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weren't

327
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well no one no one had really formally

328
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done this

329
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there there have been efforts off and on

330
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uh prior to 1996 to

331
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sort of engage the issue politically but

332
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it didn't go they didn't go anywhere and

333
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also they weren't they weren't

334
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formalized too much which is why there

335
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was not there there wasn't a

336
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a registered lobbyist i then and then

337
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founded the first political action

338
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committee addressing this issue no one

339
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had ever done that

340
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and so that's how i got involved why i

341
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got involved in a sense

342
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i was lucky in that i found a niche that

343
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was uh essentially empty

344
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no one was doing it so it gave me a

345
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opportunity to

346
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make a difference even though i had very

347
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little resources

348
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and was new and now it's been 25 years

349
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i don't regret it and i've met a ton of

350
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people and i believe that the resolution

351
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finally

352
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of the extraterrestrial presence the

353
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confirmation

354
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is very close and could very easily

355
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happen this year

356
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looking forward to seeing that

357
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now there's a lot to fill in in 25 years

358
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there and we're not going to have time

359
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to do all of that

360
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talking to you right now however going

361
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back to

362
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to 1996 and you're setting up the

363
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paradigm research group

364
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you you've said already about the the et

365
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presence or you know the et cover up

366
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what was it that made you then and now

367
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so certain is as et and

368
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not anything else again the the

369
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evidence is overwhelming

370
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and the way evidence works and this is

371
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something of course that the

372
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practitioners of the embargo were never

373
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going to acknowledge

374
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uh smoking gun is another classic

375
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example of

376
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a diversion and bogus thinking that they

377
00:13:30,949 --> 00:13:28,399
encouraged

378
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where's the smoking gun where's the

379
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latrine from a spaceship give me that

380
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and we'll move forward it's all nonsense

381
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the way evidence works is i think most

382
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people know now

383
00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:42,000
you've got a very complex murder trial

384
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and you're on the jury might take weeks

385
00:13:49,269 --> 00:13:48,320
and you listen to hours and hours of

386
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evidence

387
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of all types and you reach a conclusion

388
00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:57,760
of guilty which is the key conclusion

389
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beyond a reasonable doubt based on all

390
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,279
the evidence all of it not just one part

391
00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:05,040
it's almost impossible for a single

392
00:14:07,750 --> 00:14:06,880
piece of evidence to convict somebody in

393
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a court of law

394
00:14:11,030 --> 00:14:09,279
very difficult i'm not saying it's

395
00:14:14,790 --> 00:14:11,040
impossible but boy it's all

396
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,800
very difficult so you spend

397
00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:16,399
hundreds of hours listening to all this

398
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:18,240
evidence you you go into a room with 11

399
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:19,279
other people and you

400
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:21,440
and you all decide yes this evidence is

401
00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:23,920
absolutely beyond a reasonable doubt

402
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:30,230
the evidence for the e.t presence would

403
00:14:36,629 --> 00:14:31,360
fill a room

404
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:36,639
a big room a huge room it's massive

405
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:39,199
and if you examine that evidence if you

406
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:41,040
examine a decent portion of all that

407
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:42,240
evidence

408
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:44,320
it's absolutely confirming of an

409
00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:47,440
extraterrestrial presence

410
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,240
now we could spend the next hour or so

411
00:14:55,269 --> 00:14:52,399
running through

412
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:55,279
a lot of this evidence but i happen to

413
00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:56,800
believe that most of your audience

414
00:15:00,870 --> 00:14:58,000
already knows this this is

415
00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:00,880
not something shocking to them or a

416
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,590
and i i have invested the time to get a

417
00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:09,120
good sense of the totality of the

418
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:11,360
evidence for this present

419
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,480
and so i'm convinced i don't believe

420
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,160
the whole term believer is another

421
00:15:20,710 --> 00:15:18,560
language issue believer is a term the

422
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:20,720
truth embargo loved

423
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:23,680
you're a believer encouraged it turns up

424
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:24,000
in

425
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:28,399
believer it's nonsense

426
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:31,120
that's like saying an atomic physicist

427
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:31,680
who

428
00:15:36,389 --> 00:15:35,120
is dealing with the atom believes in

429
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:36,399
atoms

430
00:15:43,590 --> 00:15:40,959
it's absolutely ridiculous so

431
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:43,600
the answer to your question is if the

432
00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:51,590
the and this is tough

433
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:54,120
you know this is tough everybody if

434
00:15:59,030 --> 00:15:55,600
extraterrestrials

435
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,040
were to hover over our major cities with

436
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:01,519
massive craft

437
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:08,790
pretty much though one could then say

438
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,959
wait a minute no no no no these craft

439
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:12,560
have been hidden inside the earth all

440
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:14,240
these years these people are

441
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,839
subterranean dwellers have been down

442
00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:17,839
there building fantastic technology and

443
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:19,519
now they've just come out of the earth

444
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:22,560
whatever but i very few people

445
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,560
would not go that that's it that's

446
00:16:28,389 --> 00:16:25,920
confirming

447
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:28,399
all right and that's like saying for a

448
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:29,279
murder

449
00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:36,550
that person has got to bring in the

450
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,959
victim

451
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:40,959
or bring somebody into the courtroom and

452
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:42,160
shoot them right there in front of the

453
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,440
jury

454
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:46,079
then you can convict them so so that so

455
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:46,959
the

456
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:55,440
twisted and distorted

457
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,880
but this is not unusual when governments

458
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,720
decide to

459
00:17:04,710 --> 00:17:02,880
undermine the truth and embark on

460
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,720
massive information disinformation and

461
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:06,640
propaganda campaigns

462
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:09,679
they can put the citizens of a country

463
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:13,120
into an absolute detached a state

464
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:15,120
detached from reality

465
00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:18,559
this is what they do thus you

466
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:21,679
and that when they do that you get north

467
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,240
korea

468
00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:24,319
that's probably one of the worst cases

469
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:25,679
north korea

470
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,919
is one of the worst cases in all of

471
00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:29,440
human history

472
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:33,520
on the manipulation containment

473
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,360
of truth in order to create a completely

474
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:39,039
detached from reality

475
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:41,039
uh a set of human beings the north

476
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,600
korean people it's terrible

477
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,880
that's the extreme case the united

478
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,880
states has done this too japan has done

479
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:48,880
it germany's done it uk has done it

480
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,760
this is what government can do people

481
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:53,039
citizens of these nations

482
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:54,960
need to take the necessary measures to

483
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,280
stop that

484
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:00,080
we need to develop a world in which the

485
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,559
governments of nations do not embark on

486
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,280
on disinformation and propaganda

487
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,480
campaigns

488
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:08,640
to detach their citizens from reality

489
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:09,760
this never

490
00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,600
ends well it doesn't end well

491
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,760
but until we do that we'll have to put

492
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:17,440
up with it in the united states

493
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,240
the leading example of this is the truth

494
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,000
embargo on the extraterrestrial presence

495
00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:24,080
now in its 70

496
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:28,400
least 74th year

497
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:32,000
and so in that context

498
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,160
what's the answer to your question um

499
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:42,470
give a just a layperson

500
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,080
one book that

501
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:49,679
if they were to read with

502
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:52,799
a certain amount of detachment and

503
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,240
open-mindedness that

504
00:18:59,990 --> 00:18:58,320
again it's for a layperson it's not for

505
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,000
a scientist

506
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,919
it would be witness to roswell

507
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:03,360
particularly expended

508
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:06,400
expanded aversion the witness to roswell

509
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:06,799
by

510
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:10,000
don schmidt and thomas carey

511
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:14,320
which they essentially bring to bear

512
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:17,600
the the bulk of the enormous

513
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,200
amount of witness testimony that they

514
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,669
i think as many 600 witnesses were

515
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,000
ultimately uh interviewed at one time or

516
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:29,360
another by researchers regarding the

517
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:37,350
they i know interviewed a couple hundred

518
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,640
and they put this into the book the

519
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,960
witness to roswell

520
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,120
and i just do not believe that any

521
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:45,600
reasonably intelligent person

522
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:49,200
can read that book and at the end of it

523
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,200
conclude i still don't know

524
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:56,480
if there are extraterrestrials

525
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,840
i don't know can't be sure

526
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,840
i just think they have to conclude but

527
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,280
it's obvious

528
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:05,039
and that there were extraterrestrial

529
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:06,400
beings

530
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:10,799
that were involved in the roswell crash

531
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,480
some were dead one was alive

532
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,840
and at that point the government of

533
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,760
course knew the obvious

534
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,640
that we aren't alone and then the the

535
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,360
truth embargo the embargo of that

536
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,880
which was more like a cover-up at the

537
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:26,480
time at that point but still

538
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,559
embargo began so that would be my answer

539
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,400
read the witness to roswell expanded

540
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:33,600
edition

541
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,720
and then just sit quietly and think is

542
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,000
there another explanation

543
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,120
for what these hundreds of people saw

544
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
no i will come back to a question i've

545
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:44,799
got on that but um

546
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,280
that is very interesting let me ask and

547
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,039
you're talking about something that i've

548
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,720
mentioned a few times on the podcast

549
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,559
that i feel when it comes to this topic

550
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,679
or subject

551
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,760
that it's not just one there's not going

552
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,679
to be that smoking gun like you say that

553
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,280
that terminology that's always out there

554
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,440
that one piece of evidence doesn't exist

555
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,880
and won't exist but

556
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:05,200
there's a folder that is packed with

557
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,520
testimony and witness accounts and

558
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,760
experiences and you know all of that

559
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,000
stuff do you remember a time where you

560
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:13,440
first saw

561
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,200
an investigation and you've seen

562
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,120
multiple pieces of evidence and read

563
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:19,039
multiple texts where you saw something

564
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:19,440
that

565
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:26,880
process of of taking an information

566
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,200
oh it's worse than that i i did

567
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,360
i didn't have that moment i knew there

568
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:34,720
was extraterrestrials here when i was a

569
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:37,120
teenager

570
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:45,510
the way the way propaganda

571
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,559
works the way lies work

572
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:53,440
are repeating them over and over and

573
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:54,000
over

574
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,039
until people just go well it's got to be

575
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:02,880
true

576
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,480
it's a just it's a field distortion

577
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,799
reality gets turned upside down okay

578
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:10,880
that's how it works

579
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,960
but in the early days uh

580
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,520
so i'm a kid let's say let's take me up

581
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:19,440
to being about 15 years 16 years old so

582
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,149
uh

583
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,200
and the early days

584
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,720
it the truth embargo was certainly

585
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:34,640
underway

586
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,159
but it hadn't achieved its full glory

587
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,120
so so what was happening back in those

588
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,880
days in the 50s and 60s was

589
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,559
that that things were happening and

590
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,600
they'd be there'd be an article about it

591
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,600
paper would write something up and so

592
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:50,799
forth

593
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,080
um and i was i was seeing these

594
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,240
i was seeing these articles about this

595
00:23:02,549 --> 00:22:59,520
or article about that

596
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:02,559
i read the look magazine article

597
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,320
about betty and barney hill

598
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,799
which is basically a a write-up of that

599
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,559
case it wasn't a

600
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:13,200
propaganda piece it was a write-up

601
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:14,320
because back then

602
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,360
if something was kind of in the news uh

603
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,600
and you were a magazine or a newspaper

604
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:21,120
of quality

605
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,440
you could write it up and i read that

606
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,480
and i went well clearly

607
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,400
this was an extraterrestrial encounter

608
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:32,880
by betty and barney hill

609
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,280
i had no i had no uh bias

610
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,240
i had no stake in that i was simply a

611
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,520
citizen

612
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,799
now a teenager reading this article this

613
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:45,520
extraordinary

614
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,799
barney hill

615
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,400
and at that point i said well clearly

616
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,159
that's what it is

617
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,760
and then i would i would read another

618
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:56,240
about this a citing event or what have

619
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,440
you

620
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,080
and simply as an unbiased person

621
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:02,640
relatively intelligence reading this

622
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:06,640
it was clear that the proper explanation

623
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:09,760
was extraterrestrial

624
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:13,279
now why am i why am i saying this

625
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:18,320
look not everything has to go through

626
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,159
ten thousand peer review papers

627
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,039
all right and and the vast scientific

628
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:26,799
rigor

629
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,279
in order to arrive at a quote conclusion

630
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,679
not everything has to have a 10-week

631
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,279
trial

632
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:38,000
to arrive at a conclusion those things

633
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:39,200
are

634
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,000
importance of science

635
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,240
getting things right so you can move on

636
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,520
to

637
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:49,919
other phenomena or build on that

638
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:52,960
information base is extremely

639
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:57,200
significant for society

640
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,320
and the importance of getting

641
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,400
uh it right when somebody is on trial

642
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,720
for murder

643
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,960
is obviously significant which is why

644
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:08,400
beyond a reasonable doubt

645
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:12,880
is there and many many murders

646
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:16,320
are acquitted that's our but that's all

647
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:17,200
right

648
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,960
that's these are criteria we use in our

649
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,760
society for valid reasons

650
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
that doesn't mean that

651
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:26,960
all of that has to take place in order

652
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:30,640
to arrive at a pretty solid conclusion

653
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:34,159
so in my teens it was self-evident for

654
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,120
me

655
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,080
that this was extraterrestrial and i was

656
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,080
dying to learn more and i think well one

657
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,360
day we're going to learn more about that

658
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,279
that's going to be cool what's going on

659
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,240
and then i went about being a teenager

660
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:47,760
and then going to college and living my

661
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,120
life

662
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,600
so i didn't need to see some profound

663
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:53,200
piece of evidence later on

664
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:56,080
i already knew and why do i when i say

665
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:57,440
new

666
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:01,039
status in other words my

667
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:04,960
my intellect to whatever it was

668
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:08,159
without any particular bias was

669
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,760
pretty satisfied that that was the

670
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,520
explanation now why

671
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,559
why am i pointing this out

672
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:17,600
because millions

673
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,200
and millions and millions of people

674
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,720
felt the same way even in the 50s and

675
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,000
the 60s

676
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:29,360
they they they they got it but again

677
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,960
it was like what what can you do i mean

678
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,520
you will eventually learn more the

679
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,320
government will clearly

680
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,080
the government's clearly looking into

681
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,600
this of course

682
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,120
and they're studying it and then they're

683
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,880
going to be able to provide us

684
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:48,320
hard information about what's going on

685
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,070
and when i went to college in 1964

686
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,159
i arrived as the vietnam war was taking

687
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,269
and then that was another kind of

688
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,559
interesting moment for me

689
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:07,440
as the vietnam war took off in college

690
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,440
with each passing month i began to be

691
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,960
deeply suspicious

692
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,640
that what the government was saying

693
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:15,360
about that war wasn't true

694
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,880
it wasn't there wasn't much i could do

695
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,640
about that

696
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,600
years later i would learn that it

697
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:24,080
absolutely wasn't true

698
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,440
that the government had used lies and

699
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,000
propaganda in order to convince the

700
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,159
people

701
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:31,679
to support something they should never

702
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,399
have supported

703
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,600
and perhaps it then it began to dawn on

704
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:38,960
me

705
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,679
about a war

706
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,919
that's killing hundreds of thousands of

707
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,000
people and tens of thousands of american

708
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,640
soldiers the u.s government is capable

709
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,120
of lying about anything

710
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,799
and so as time went by

711
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:59,279
i think in the back of my mind at least

712
00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:00,159
when nothing

713
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,440
was getting resolved about this

714
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:03,600
phenomena

715
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:08,240
that very likely the fix was in

716
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,830
as we go forward and i get into the

717
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:16,320
field

718
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,679
i'm all i already know there's an

719
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,760
extraterrestrial presence

720
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:22,320
so nothing i'm going to see or read is

721
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,120
going to go

722
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,600
oh wow bang there's an extraterrestrial

723
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:26,799
now

724
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,840
so and

725
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,279
for most people that's not the way it is

726
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,720
most people are not paying attention

727
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:38,559
just for your average person

728
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,760
and so you could ask them right someone

729
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,399
who has

730
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:44,720
no idea about this never really thought

731
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,440
about it much

732
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,760
what what when they finally figure it

733
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:50,240
out and they all will

734
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,840
what was it that brought you there but

735
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,360
i'll tell you

736
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,840
for a significant portion of the human

737
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,360
race

738
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,760
the moment where they have that light

739
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,600
bulb go off

740
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,880
in their head that says oh

741
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,640
we're not alone in the universe there's

742
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,320
other civilizations there and they're

743
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,919
actually engaging us

744
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,640
will be disclosure day it will be the

745
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,600
day

746
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,360
that the heads of state starting

747
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,200
hopefully with

748
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:20,240
probably with our president it goes in

749
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,960
front of the world

750
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,159
goes in front of the public goes in

751
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,600
front of a microphone and confirms the

752
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,200
extraterrestrial presence that'll be it

753
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,760
for them that would be wow

754
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,760
all right hello steve that's my answer

755
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,000
uh no that's a good answer listen it's

756
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,520
just lovely listening to your talk as

757
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,360
well i'm going to come to that in just a

758
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,279
second about disclosure with a small d

759
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,559
and a capital d

760
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,480
just before i do i want to talk to you

761
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,159
about someone else who

762
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,320
um very much seems to be someone in the

763
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:46,159
know or has always been talked about

764
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,360
someone in the know

765
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,919
and i heard you about four years ago um

766
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:51,520
donald trump had just won the election

767
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,159
in the us

768
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,480
barack obama was the outgoing president

769
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,720
and hillary clinton of course famously

770
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,880
lost that election um now you were

771
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,640
talking about hillary had the chance to

772
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:01,760
play the the et

773
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,000
card to her advantage and she could have

774
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,600
blown the election wide open but

775
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,039
obviously we know in hindsight

776
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,159
she didn't do you feel now had

777
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,360
hillary won that presidency that we

778
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:15,120
would be in a different landscape when

779
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:16,240
it comes to

780
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,440
a potential e.t presence we would have

781
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:22,080
had disclosure three years ago

782
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,360
we'd be three years into the

783
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,080
post-disclosure world

784
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,600
and the last three years would have been

785
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:29,279
a hell of a lot more

786
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,590
uh how can i say how do you see that

787
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,360
would have played out though how do you

788
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,360
as a president how does hillary clinton

789
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,120
as the president

790
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,840
introduce that she's gonna it's gonna it

791
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,200
would have happened under her exactly

792
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,120
the way it's happening under

793
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:50,559
biden um

794
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:54,399
history is is tough history

795
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,399
is like an ocean sometimes it's a calm

796
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:04,070
light breeze very calm and whatever boat

797
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,389
generally they get they can get where

798
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,840
they're going

799
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,000
so they want to go from here to there

800
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:15,679
from this island to that island they set

801
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:16,399
off

802
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,919
and they get there on the other hand

803
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:21,120
history can become

804
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:23,039
like that the c can become quite

805
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:25,039
difficult

806
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,200
that c can make it almost impossible to

807
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,840
to maintain a proper heading take you

808
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,760
completely off course

809
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,360
strip your sails and leave you in the

810
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,039
middle of the ocean

811
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,799
unable to move forward at all or just

812
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,440
capsize you and sink your boat

813
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,919
that's history so when you get involved

814
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,440
in history

815
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,840
not just existing living moving from day

816
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,880
to day doing your life

817
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,320
but when you get involved in history

818
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,840
when you get involved in things that are

819
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,120
operating at the level

820
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:57,200
of significant historical implications

821
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:00,799
then you are now sailing on that sea

822
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,159
and boy it can change uh

823
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,039
it can change in a moment one minute

824
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,399
things are fine

825
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,679
two hours later you're in the middle of

826
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,600
a squall you've got you've got waves 10

827
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,279
feet high

828
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,840
this has happened many times it is a

829
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,799
tough road

830
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,200
that's why it's an awful lot of sailors

831
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:21,679
at the bottom of the ocean

832
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,070
i was able to successfully

833
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:37,840
get the media

834
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,559
to take up the rather important story

835
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:45,440
of the connection between secretary

836
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:46,000
clinton

837
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,360
her campaign chair john podesta

838
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,080
those three for sure but ultimately

839
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,760
included barack obama the president

840
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,000
obama

841
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,080
to do what i should they shouldn't have

842
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,000
been prompted to do

843
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,080
but because of the embargo they needed a

844
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,840
little help

845
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:10,000
i was able to from washington able to

846
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,279
generate

847
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,279
the storyline about the connection

848
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:14,640
between this

849
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:18,240
candidate who was long favored favored

850
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:18,799
to be

851
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:22,320
president and the fact that there was

852
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,919
this substantial historical connection

853
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,200
to the e.t issue and they started

854
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,880
writing stories

855
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,279
uh they started contacting her and

856
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,960
podesta

857
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:33,120
uh about these stories about for

858
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
commenting and

859
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:36,080
and they weren't getting a response this

860
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,519
forced their hand and they started

861
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:38,799
coming forward

862
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:42,240
limited way podesta made statements she

863
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:42,880
went on

864
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,080
shows brought up the uap issue and many

865
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,840
other things about 11 times during the

866
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,200
campaign never happened before in

867
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,320
history

868
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,480
and it was a huge story 400 articles at

869
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,799
least that's just english language

870
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,559
probably many hundreds more foreign

871
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:58,640
language all about

872
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:03,200
et's and secretary clinton so

873
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:08,560
that clearly uh going to be

874
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:12,000
followed up on if she won the election

875
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,800
in other words not just her historical

876
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,480
connection to the issue and her husbands

877
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:17,520
and podestas

878
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,200
but also everything she said during the

879
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,879
campaign so it was totally successful

880
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,639
effort out of washington dc very few

881
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:24,240
people know about this

882
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:28,320
um uh but i know and my public relations

883
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,200
person knows

884
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:31,679
maybe one day it'll get told so

885
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,159
everything is going fine

886
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,800
and one of the reasons it was it was

887
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,480
going fine

888
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,599
is because i'm convinced that secretary

889
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,679
clinton fully intended to end the truth

890
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,829
in order to seek justice

891
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:52,399
for the fact that her husband tried to

892
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,119
get

893
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
was stonewalled by his own government

894
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,800
and attacked i mean he was attacked and

895
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,000
belittled his

896
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,240
political capital was undermined i mean

897
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,560
he was he was raked over the cold

898
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,880
partially because of the e.t issue and

899
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,480
it made her pretty mad when she left she

900
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,240
was a very angry woman

901
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,280
and so she was now going to get that

902
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,480
legacy she was going to be the first

903
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,440
woman president

904
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:18,800
and the president who forced a bunch of

905
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:19,200
men

906
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:22,720
over at the pentagon to put up or be

907
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,400
be gone deliver or you're gone

908
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,240
your replacements deliver or they're

909
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,760
gone

910
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,560
so this her historical legacy is

911
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:34,160
literally laying out before her it's

912
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:35,119
going to be

913
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,000
huge so all good and then history

914
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,040
that that ocean ocean squall

915
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:45,920
turned up and very soon the waves were

916
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,109
wikileaks release there were two

917
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,040
wikileaks releases both of them damaged

918
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,960
the democrats

919
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,200
you had the actions of the fbi decisions

920
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,880
to make they made during the end of the

921
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:00,640
campaign

922
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:04,000
very upsetting and

923
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,030
if she had and and everything changes

924
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,480
and in other words

925
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:15,040
she's lost the election my boats

926
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:16,240
capsized

927
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,400
we're upside down in the water sitting

928
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,359
on the halls

929
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:24,320
the seas are calming a little bit and

930
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,280
then

931
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,359
we wait for the next president to take

932
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,670
and when that president took over the

933
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:35,680
storm came back

934
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,200
and raged for four solid years

935
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,760
so everything that we were doing between

936
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:42,240
19

937
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:49,520
and the present or or

938
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:53,760
november december 20 20 20.

939
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,720
um was done in the middle of a raging

940
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:58,400
storm

941
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:05,990
what she would have very likely done

942
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:13,190
okay and let's say that i was going to

943
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,839
say

944
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:17,040
let me ask you on that you also talked

945
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,079
um about

946
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,400
disclosure and and there's disclosure

947
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:21,599
with a small d

948
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,200
and disclosure with a capital d um

949
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,880
now you're you're you're certain you're

950
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,640
convinced and you've talked on this and

951
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:30,160
like you've said here that we're going

952
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,960
to get that

953
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:33,520
disclosure with a small d as a process

954
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:36,320
and capital d disclosure as as the event

955
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,640
or

956
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,680
an event itself right do you still feel

957
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:42,480
even now we are guaranteed to get that

958
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,200
capital d

959
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,920
disclosure as opposed to uh i'll use air

960
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,760
quotes confirmation

961
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,359
and i'm asking this and on the basis

962
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,599
that a confirmation would be more likely

963
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,160
to

964
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,160
absolve any government let's just say

965
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,440
the us like you say

966
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:56,640
more than likely would come from the

967
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:59,599
united states um to steer clear of any

968
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,160
blame

969
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,720
or can i pass discrepancies given that

970
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:06,240
the historical cover-up that's going on

971
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,280
look that's five questions uh look look

972
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,240
it's simple disclosure small d

973
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,240
disclosure process

974
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,359
has been going on since 1947 relentless

975
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,990
people getting information finding

976
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,599
information publishing information

977
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,720
talking whatever

978
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,040
all of the information gathering

979
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,640
research everything else is small d

980
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:30,320
disclosure trying to get information out

981
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
about this

982
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,040
and i say and why does that term have

983
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,520
any special meaning even with a small d

984
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,040
because we're applying it to the et

985
00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:39,599
issue disclosure about everything is

986
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,580
going on all the time

987
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,200
[Laughter]

988
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,560
when when the uh the the washington dc

989
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,680
publishes a new

990
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,400
metro schedule that's uh disclosure it's

991
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,680
it's new information

992
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,000
but so but and with respect to the etsu

993
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:55,839
it has a little more special meaning

994
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,040
disclosure disclosure process small d is

995
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,560
the unfolding process

996
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,400
of information regarding the

997
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,760
extraterrestrial presence

998
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,320
continues to this day it'll continue for

999
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,960
years and years to come

1000
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,599
disclosure with a capital d which is

1001
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:13,599
something that i

1002
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:17,280
was pushing um

1003
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,400
uh might have even started i'm not sure

1004
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,079
disclosure with a small d other people

1005
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,680
were already using that in a very formal

1006
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,240
way

1007
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,760
but what i think i may be the first one

1008
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,359
to put the capital d on and

1009
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,880
and try to use it in this term but

1010
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:30,480
whatever that

1011
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,520
is the that's that is the confirmation

1012
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,800
day

1013
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,680
disclosure with a capital d is defined

1014
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:39,920
by the activist movement

1015
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,640
as this and only this there are no other

1016
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,400
interpretations

1017
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,599
it is the formal confirmation

1018
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,440
of an extraterrestrial presence engaging

1019
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,440
the human race by the heads of state of

1020
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:53,280
nations

1021
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,960
so when that confirmation

1022
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:59,119
comes out of the mouth of the president

1023
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,640
of the united states or the president of

1024
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,400
china the president of

1025
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:05,440
of russia formally

1026
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,040
in front of a microphone and press

1027
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,160
we have not had disclosure capital d

1028
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:14,640
that's all it is if you don't if that if

1029
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,200
some

1030
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,800
anybody else in government gives a press

1031
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,240
conference and says i'm pretty sure

1032
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,319
there's et's here that's not disclosure

1033
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,520
has to come from the head of state now

1034
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:26,400
it's some confusion there small d little

1035
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:26,640
d

1036
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,079
confirmation which is fine

1037
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,960
but it's a formal confirmation it's a

1038
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,359
big

1039
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:40,560
confirmation so disclosure

1040
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,319
capital d is the formal confirmation of

1041
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,480
the extraterrestrial presence by

1042
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,839
the head of state so we got that

1043
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,000
right and the question has always been

1044
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:54,480
from the day i got involved

1045
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:58,240
how do we get it how how do we get to a

1046
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,040
place where

1047
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,359
the president of any country can

1048
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,680
actually do that

1049
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,599
and that has been the disclosure

1050
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,520
activist movement

1051
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,960
right which is what i am i'm a

1052
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:10,880
disclosure activist

1053
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,829
or just a political activist trying to

1054
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:19,119
get the government

1055
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,280
to do something in fact all activism

1056
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:26,880
i'm not aware of there aren't many

1057
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,440
examples uh that that refute this but

1058
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:30,880
i'm sure that there are a few

1059
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,760
you can find a couple but the vast

1060
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:34,800
majority of all

1061
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,560
activism even at the local state

1062
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:41,760
federal level global level

1063
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,960
is they have one thing in common the

1064
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:46,319
people

1065
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:53,119
authority formal authority

1066
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:56,960
to do something it doesn't want to do

1067
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,440
it's not simple right

1068
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,400
and well what is it that the authority

1069
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,920
doesn't want to do in this case

1070
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,040
it doesn't want to confirm the

1071
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:09,599
extraterrestrial presence

1072
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,800
and we need to get it to do that which

1073
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,160
brings us to the probably the most

1074
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:15,680
important

1075
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,920
info i can provide your listeners in the

1076
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:19,119
uk

1077
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,280
many times spent months in london

1078
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,520
been to scotland been all over the place

1079
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:26,880
love the country

1080
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,160
love the people it's a cool place

1081
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,430
the way disclosure

1082
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,560
needs to take place given how important

1083
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:41,760
it is

1084
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,599
given the implications it has

1085
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:47,440
it will be the most profound event in

1086
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,160
human history based upon

1087
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,760
the number of people impacted in one

1088
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,640
form or fashion and the amount of time

1089
00:43:02,069 --> 00:42:59,280
it will take for that impact to hit

1090
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:02,079
nothing in history will even remotely

1091
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:03,280
compare

1092
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,040
it's a big deal so it has to be done

1093
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,400
right when you do something big okay if

1094
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,319
something that big has got to be handled

1095
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,760
properly

1096
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:16,800
like a royal wedding

1097
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,280
you just can't decide out let's hold it

1098
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,640
next wednesday and

1099
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,640
i don't know somebody get a cater throw

1100
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:24,079
it together whatever invite a few

1101
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,200
friends you no no

1102
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,800
no no no you don't you don't you can't

1103
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:28,480
do that

1104
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:32,240
so the way

1105
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,520
that it always had to happen and i knew

1106
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,319
this 25 years ago

1107
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,240
was that in the united states though

1108
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:41,839
this does apply i think to other

1109
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:42,400
countries

1110
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:45,920
way

1111
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,160
appropriately happen

1112
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,839
because it's the most positive

1113
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,240
constructive

1114
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,359
least upsetting disrupting process in

1115
00:44:02,710 --> 00:43:59,280
the united states

1116
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,720
is that the congress needs to call for

1117
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,230
for people for evidence and testimony

1118
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:10,480
particularly testimony to be presented

1119
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,510
so that the congressional committees

1120
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,520
can make informed decision about

1121
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,079
legislation that is how

1122
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,280
our democratic republic works how to

1123
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,960
deal with a particular issue they need

1124
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:28,400
informed

1125
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,480
and one of the way that one of the ways

1126
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:33,920
that they do that

1127
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:37,839
is they they take testimony under oath

1128
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,160
uh the oath is a is to help ensure the

1129
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,520
information is

1130
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,839
is uh going to be valid because if it's

1131
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:44,960
not those people

1132
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:49,599
face penalties for perjury

1133
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,349
and they need to be public in some cases

1134
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,720
because if the public can watch the

1135
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,440
process

1136
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,560
unfold the republic is getting the

1137
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,880
public the public the citizens are

1138
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,160
getting that information

1139
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:11,359
at the same time in most cases

1140
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,960
then that further

1141
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,680
supports the process and the confidence

1142
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,280
of the people

1143
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,240
no no mysteries here the committee

1144
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,680
chairs and the committee members heard

1145
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,720
just what we just saw

1146
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,720
on camera that doesn't always happen

1147
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,079
because the issues are not important

1148
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,079
enough but the more important the issue

1149
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:32,240
the more the need for the cameras to be

1150
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:33,440
in the room

1151
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:38,079
this is self-evident right and then

1152
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,670
the executive branch

1153
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,720
can all review it

1154
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,359
discuss it with members of congress and

1155
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,880
arrive at a conclusion

1156
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,240
and arrive at a course of action this is

1157
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,920
doesn't happen immediately but it's

1158
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,400
again it can be it can take weeks

1159
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,760
it might take a lot much longer could

1160
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,319
take months but that's the way

1161
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,240
something of this magnitude is supposed

1162
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,359
to happen

1163
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,800
which is why people

1164
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,319
number of people some i know some i

1165
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:16,400
don't have been trying to get those

1166
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:17,280
hearings

1167
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,200
for 52 years the last hearing on the

1168
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:24,400
subject of extraterrestrials or ufos

1169
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,800
was 1968 in a house lasted a single day

1170
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,400
there were four i think four people

1171
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,240
testified and there were some reports

1172
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,440
that was it that was it the next year

1173
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,960
they disbanded blue book

1174
00:46:40,829 --> 00:46:39,119
and basically said we don't need to

1175
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:40,839
study this anymore

1176
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,760
um that that wasn't a real attempt

1177
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,440
to get information to make informed

1178
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,000
decisions that was a show hearing

1179
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:52,240
i'm not saying that the people testified

1180
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,119
were doing that

1181
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,119
but the congress in the white house that

1182
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,319
was a show here

1183
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,800
get it done close down blue book let's

1184
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:00,319
move on

1185
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,560
so in the 52 years since

1186
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,400
every effort to get hearings has been

1187
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:09,200
blocked cold

1188
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,680
stop cold couldn't happen because

1189
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:16,079
with each passing year the government or

1190
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,599
the elements of the government that

1191
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,160
dealt with this issue knew that hearings

1192
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,520
like that

1193
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,960
proper hearings over days many number

1194
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,720
many committees many witnesses would end

1195
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:28,240
the truth embargo

1196
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:32,800
therefore there cannot be hearings

1197
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,829
what clinton would have done almost

1198
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,240
certainly

1199
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,480
and there's there's it's not the only

1200
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,240
way to end the truth embargo as i've

1201
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,800
said if clinton won the presidency

1202
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:49,040
she could have once he got the white

1203
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,640
house set up and

1204
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,520
everybody's uh in place she could have

1205
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,040
sent an emissary over to the pentagon

1206
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,800
uh to meet with the top pentagon

1207
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,079
officials top people

1208
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,960
including her own secretary of defense

1209
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
and basically said

1210
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,640
the president intends to bring the truth

1211
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:09,119
of this matter to the american people

1212
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,240
and the pentagon working with what other

1213
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:14,800
appropriate agencies are necessary

1214
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,240
will provide to her in less than 30 days

1215
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:20,000
no less than 30 days

1216
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,119
a full and comprehensive report of

1217
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:25,200
what the government knows about this

1218
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,400
issue

1219
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:29,119
the names of all of the unidentified or

1220
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,640
rather the

1221
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:33,520
unacknowledged special access programs

1222
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,079
location

1223
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,200
of any research labs bases

1224
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:40,079
essentially the works and if you don't

1225
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,359
provide that

1226
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:44,319
every one of you will be fired every

1227
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,040
single one

1228
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,280
and you will all be replaced and the

1229
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,040
same

1230
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,880
request or demand will be made of the

1231
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,400
new people

1232
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,280
and if they don't respond they will be

1233
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,480
replaced

1234
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,480
and we are prepared to replace the whole

1235
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,480
damn pentagon

1236
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,599
if you do not deliver and that

1237
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,839
would have been it they would have

1238
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,359
delivered and she would have disclosed

1239
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,599
and that's one way

1240
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,079
but she would have done that she would

1241
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,839
have simply encouraged committee chairs

1242
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:15,599
in congress to call

1243
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,359
for hearings and those hearings

1244
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,720
have gotten underway the focus would

1245
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,240
have been national security that's the

1246
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:24,319
logical focus for such hearings to begin

1247
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,720
with

1248
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,440
the witnesses would be predominantly if

1249
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,079
not exclusively military

1250
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,160
military witnesses men and women who

1251
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,000
took an oath to serve and are now taking

1252
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,480
another oath to testify

1253
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,680
and those hearings would have presented

1254
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,280
evidence in front of the american people

1255
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,960
and by that i mean hundreds of millions

1256
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,000
of people around the world

1257
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,280
because these would be the most watched

1258
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:47,839
hearings in all of history

1259
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:50,960
with a the evidentiary

1260
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,319
testimony until such time

1261
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,359
as it was obvious to anybody who got

1262
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,599
past junior high school

1263
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,359
that of course the extraterrestrial

1264
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,160
presidency is in fact the explanation

1265
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,559
that then allows the president to confer

1266
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,800
with members of congress or key

1267
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:11,839
congressional leaders as well as uh

1268
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,359
important important uh people in the dod

1269
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:17,760
appropriate people in dod privately

1270
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,720
confer

1271
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,720
and arrive at the conclusion that yes

1272
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,359
the evidence confirms the e.t presence

1273
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,359
we have watched it the american people

1274
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,559
have watched it

1275
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,240
and so it's now appropriate that i go

1276
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,160
before the american people and confirm

1277
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,720
what that evidence presents

1278
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,359
that would be exactly the way it has to

1279
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,480
be done

1280
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,680
and we would thus be in the

1281
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:40,240
post-disclosure world there would be all

1282
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,520
kinds of questions

1283
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,119
public relations problems for some

1284
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:45,119
people not for others

1285
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,680
and that we would already be three years

1286
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,200
down the line

1287
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,440
let me ask you on that stephen the uap

1288
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,640
task force report

1289
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,200
is currently scheduled to be um

1290
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,040
published in june although obviously

1291
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,480
there's a lot of rumors coming up that

1292
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,839
it's more than likely going to be

1293
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:02,000
delayed none other than chris mellon has

1294
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,119
confirmed that himself

1295
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,599
not confirmed but he's he's stated no

1296
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,720
he's not confirmed no but

1297
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,240
more than likely he said it is going to

1298
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:10,240
be delayed that would be the most likely

1299
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,200
outcome

1300
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:14,079
what do you see that report containing

1301
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,800
when it does

1302
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,520
if indeed come out in june i have no

1303
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,280
idea what's going to be in it

1304
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,400
however that brings me to

1305
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:25,839
the second half of that response

1306
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:31,190
that i believe would have happened if

1307
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:32,559
hillary clinton secretary hillary

1308
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,480
clinton won the presidency

1309
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:37,440
is about to happen now under president

1310
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:43,270
and while my

1311
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:46,960
effort to get this done

1312
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,480
was the election initiative

1313
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,200
that i discussed generating all those

1314
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,880
articles and coverage

1315
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,520
and forcing the clinton political team

1316
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:58,800
out of cover

1317
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,000
where they did have to make some

1318
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,440
statements statements that they were

1319
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,839
always going to have to live with

1320
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,079
john podesta herself her husband and

1321
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:08,319
barack obama

1322
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,599
uh didn't work didn't happen

1323
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,480
and so when she lost the election i i i

1324
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:16,079
had basically

1325
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:24,870
and then i went to london and sort of

1326
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:27,520
left the field of play

1327
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,559
but a new entrant into this

1328
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:33,920
disclosure process emerged in october of

1329
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,030
and it's what they've done during

1330
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:44,559
this past four years

1331
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:48,720
that has created the situation where

1332
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,880
what i discussed will not take place

1333
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,319
and i'm talking about the to the stars

1334
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,160
academy

1335
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,000
and all that it has done and all of the

1336
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:02,559
reactions to it and other things that

1337
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:03,359
have happened

1338
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,640
because of it and this whereas my

1339
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:07,839
political initiative

1340
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,359
took place between january of 2015

1341
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,240
and the election of 2016 probably 20

1342
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,440
months

1343
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,760
they have been at this now for three

1344
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:19,839
years a little longer

1345
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,760
um from october of 2017 to

1346
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,920
october 2020 that's three years so you

1347
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:27,280
know it's about three

1348
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:31,920
three years five months and

1349
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,640
they they they had they had some uh

1350
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,119
tools in their tool chest that i didn't

1351
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,559
have

1352
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:43,280
they they came forward as a group of

1353
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,400
individuals from the military

1354
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,000
intelligence complex with

1355
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,440
long careers uh as private citizens and

1356
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,640
an ngo

1357
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,920
non-government organization and the

1358
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,559
first act that they did was to

1359
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:58,880
provide the new york times with uh the

1360
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,599
uh

1361
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,599
information that the new york times

1362
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:04,960
eventually vetted and and published in

1363
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,520
december 16 2017. these are the two

1364
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,920
major articles on the front page of

1365
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,720
which i think

1366
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:15,839
most of your listeners know about then

1367
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,079
they followed up with

1368
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,640
a series on history channel called

1369
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,559
unidentified

1370
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,359
inside america's secret ufo

1371
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,119
investigation

1372
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,720
14 episodes they did that

1373
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,079
and they started giving more interviews

1374
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,559
and speaking to the issue writing op-eds

1375
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,240
things like that

1376
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,319
and that that's going on been going on

1377
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:42,240
all the way back to

1378
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:46,720
uh october of 2017.

1379
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,079
and this what they did

1380
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:53,760
significantly changed the

1381
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,200
circuit this the situation uh

1382
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,000
they have moved the ball well down the

1383
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,760
field

1384
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,520
uh and and there have been many

1385
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:06,559
consequences of that but

1386
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,079
they lowered the bar for witnesses to

1387
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,760
come forward

1388
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,640
they dramatically increased the

1389
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,040
willingness of thai and media

1390
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:18,000
to write about this issue appropriately

1391
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,960
they drove

1392
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:21,440
virtually all of the skeptics the

1393
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:22,559
debunkers

1394
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,839
the skepta bunkers and anybody else

1395
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:28,160
with a bizarre desire to become the

1396
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:29,920
field class of the 21st century they

1397
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,799
drove them off the field

1398
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,200
and things started happening we started

1399
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,920
seeing reactions and so forth

1400
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,200
and there's not enough time to go

1401
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,040
through all that but i will

1402
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,720
i will tell your listeners how they can

1403
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:44,480
learn about all of that

1404
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:49,359
in a second but the

1405
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
the two things that were most important

1406
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,520
that emerged from this project the to

1407
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:57,680
the stars academy of arts and science

1408
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,119
we just tend to call it the to the stars

1409
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:01,599
academy or the ttsa

1410
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:05,520
was this one of the members christopher

1411
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,079
mellon

1412
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,799
is a former deputy assistant secretary

1413
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:11,200
of defense for intelligence

1414
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,950
and luis elizondo long career with the

1415
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:20,640
department of defense

1416
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,240
as a uh

1417
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:27,200
intelligence operative working in many

1418
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:28,799
countries

1419
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,559
uh highly educated highly skilled

1420
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,319
a fellow seen it all done at all who was

1421
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:35,839
also a populist and a very

1422
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,559
nice guy i was approachable guy these

1423
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:44,309
essentially pursued what i believe and

1424
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:45,359
will continue to believe

1425
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,799
until i'm told otherwise

1426
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,640
what would the the fundamental agenda of

1427
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:53,359
the to the stars academy

1428
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,069
one of his key jobs was dealing with

1429
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:05,680
witnesses military

1430
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:09,119
men and maybe some women he interviewed

1431
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:10,319
them

1432
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:14,079
unidentified series

1433
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,000
some in silhouette and when they did

1434
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,280
that

1435
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,799
they say they lowered the bar

1436
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,319
substantially

1437
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:25,680
for any military

1438
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,480
people who have compelling stories

1439
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,160
about the e.t issue of one form and

1440
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,400
fashion to come forward

1441
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,000
because it was clear the risk of doing

1442
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,119
so was simply had evaporated

1443
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,440
it wasn't going to be a problem and

1444
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,760
there are thousands of them

1445
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,640
we we know that because of the

1446
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,200
unidentified show

1447
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:51,440
and other appearances he made that

1448
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:52,319
scores of

1449
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,920
military were contacting him privately

1450
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:58,240
and that and that's probably still going

1451
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,280
on so it was going on for a couple years

1452
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,040
at the same time we learned that

1453
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,200
christopher mellon

1454
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:08,319
had made a decision well

1455
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,920
he he had decided to engage the congress

1456
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:14,960
um we didn't learn about this until

1457
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:18,559
mid in 2019

1458
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,359
he wrote an op-ed in the hill newspaper

1459
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,040
which is a very

1460
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,760
important newspaper in washington people

1461
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,280
outside of washington may not know about

1462
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,799
it but the hill is they have they have a

1463
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,480
very important website but the hill is a

1464
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,839
very important political newspaper in

1465
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:32,640
washington

1466
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,319
he wrote an op-ed uh in

1467
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,440
i forget maybe may of 2019

1468
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,760
uh basically saying that the congress

1469
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,319
needs to get involved here

1470
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,880
congress needs to engage this he had

1471
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,400
previously written an op-ed in

1472
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,559
the washington post saying that the

1473
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,000
pentagon needs to get

1474
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,480
on the ball here right uh but now he

1475
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,839
wrote this op-ed in a hill about

1476
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:57,520
congress needs to get involved

1477
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,440
later that year we got wind that he was

1478
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,559
up on the hill holding meetings with

1479
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,319
members of congress

1480
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,079
almost certainly focused on committee

1481
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,599
chairs

1482
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,520
there are and ranking members there are

1483
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,880
six

1484
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,440
key committees that would would be

1485
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:16,640
involved in hearings

1486
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,319
of this regarding this issue the

1487
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,920
two most important are the intelligence

1488
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,599
committees of the house and senate

1489
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,280
and the most important of that is the

1490
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,359
senate intelligence committee

1491
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,119
so we knew he was doing that how many we

1492
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,799
don't know but some of the committee

1493
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:33,200
chairs or congressional members actually

1494
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,400
did

1495
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:37,440
let it be known that they had had a

1496
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,240
meeting

1497
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,799
but not talking content these were

1498
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:41,599
private

1499
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:44,400
off the record briefings we learned that

1500
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,079
witnesses were also

1501
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,880
in those meetings for sure some of the

1502
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,160
pilots from the nimitz and

1503
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:52,160
other pilots but the total number of

1504
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,200
witnesses that might have been there we

1505
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,559
don't know

1506
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:57,119
but there were meetings on the hill

1507
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:58,400
about this issue

1508
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:02,000
with committee chairs we learned that

1509
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,670
eventually we learned that the president

1510
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,119
also got one of these briefings

1511
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,960
that's when i picked up stakes started

1512
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,640
to raise the money to pick up stakes and

1513
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:14,480
move back to washington

1514
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,119
in order to get back on the field i'd

1515
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,960
been sitting on the bench for a while

1516
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,640
once i heard the president brief that

1517
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:23,280
was it so i came back to dc

1518
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:28,880
and did what i had to do and so

1519
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,630
but they were doing things that i could

1520
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,920
never have done i mean i did what i

1521
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,720
could do because i

1522
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,400
i had there were some things i could do

1523
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,640
and i did them but i couldn't get a

1524
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:44,880
history channel series

1525
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,359
i couldn't meet with aircraft pilots

1526
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,720
from the nimitz

1527
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:50,720
i didn't have a i didn't have the career

1528
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,839
of christopher malloy i can go on the

1529
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,520
hill and talk to committee chairs they

1530
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:54,559
could

1531
01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:57,359
they were using their their background

1532
01:01:04,950 --> 01:00:57,760
and

1533
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,960
i've been talking about this now

1534
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:06,720
extensively

1535
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:10,480
uh since december of last year

1536
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,079
is that the fundamental agenda

1537
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:17,280
of that project forget everything else

1538
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,400
that was said or done and what the

1539
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,079
website says find all that may be

1540
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,559
true it's not saying it's not a it's not

1541
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,160
a single dimension thing but the

1542
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,839
fundamental agenda the reason why they

1543
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,799
took the risk

1544
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,440
that they did forgo the income that they

1545
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:31,119
had to forego

1546
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:32,720
was they were going to get the hearings

1547
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,040
that i was we're talking about

1548
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,920
had to get the hearings and so where we

1549
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,680
are now

1550
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,680
is that luis elizondo has essentially

1551
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:42,880
accumulated

1552
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,200
a very long list of military witnesses

1553
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:49,040
christopher mellon has set the stage for

1554
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,559
the committee chairs to call

1555
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,280
for hearings for these witnesses and

1556
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,119
we're going to get those hearings

1557
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:56,559
the hearings that we have been trying to

1558
01:02:02,630 --> 01:01:59,599
get since 1968

1559
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:02,640
and when those hearings take place they

1560
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:03,920
will be before

1561
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,039
a number of committees

1562
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:09,520
almost all if not all of the witnesses

1563
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,280
will be military retired or active

1564
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,960
those hearings will be seen by hundreds

1565
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,240
of millions of people around the world

1566
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:18,400
they will be televised

1567
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,240
some things will be taken in private

1568
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,400
session meaning some things will be

1569
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:25,760
uh classified and and uh the witnesses

1570
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,520
will testify about that in a classified

1571
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,920
secret session that's that's fine but

1572
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,359
the vast majority will be public

1573
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:34,799
hearings

1574
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,400
while but not

1575
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,400
but after a relatively short amount of

1576
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:42,720
time weeks

1577
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,079
the president of the united states will

1578
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:46,000
be able to do what i just said

1579
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,119
and what would have likely happened

1580
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,599
under clinton the president can confer

1581
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,880
with the congressional leaders in the

1582
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,079
pentagon

1583
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,880
and say what do you think gentlemen

1584
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:56,559
ladies and gentlemen and they will say

1585
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,920
mr president i think it's compelling

1586
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,760
uh clearly we have a non-human

1587
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,039
engagement

1588
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:06,160
by uh extraterrestrials

1589
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,599
and then the president can go in front

1590
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,440
of the american people and say i've seen

1591
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,760
the evidence you've seen the evidence

1592
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,760
i've conferred with my top leaders my

1593
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,880
top officials and support

1594
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,200
advisors and i think we can confirm to

1595
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,720
you that yes that evidence confirms the

1596
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:20,880
extraterrestrial presence

1597
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,880
and that's the way it has to be done

1598
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,400
that's the end of the embargo in the

1599
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:28,400
beginning of the post-disclosure world

1600
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,079
it's constructive it's public

1601
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:35,520
everybody wins the president wins

1602
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,559
he he he is like hey i've

1603
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,760
i've seen the evidence you've seen the

1604
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:41,680
evidence here it is as opposed to some

1605
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:43,119
president coming forward and saying

1606
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:44,240
i'm going to tell you today there's

1607
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,319
extraterrestrials here i knew about it

1608
01:03:50,069 --> 01:03:48,480
hell 35 years ago but i decided to go

1609
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:50,079
along with the truth embargo but here it

1610
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:50,640
is today

1611
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:54,240
if you don't like that pound sand no

1612
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,839
it's it the president's in a comfortable

1613
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:57,520
position all of the committee

1614
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,720
members that that take this testimony

1615
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,160
will be heroes around the world the

1616
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,160
committee chairs particularly

1617
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,599
both parties will be involved

1618
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,160
non-partisan issue they are winners

1619
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:10,480
the dod is participation and assistant

1620
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:11,359
it's a winner

1621
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:14,559
everybody wins now there is plenty of

1622
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:17,920
real difficult questions

1623
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:21,119
to answer ultimately and plenty of

1624
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,880
difficult things the american people are

1625
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,799
going to learn but this is his

1626
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:26,960
win-win-win as it's ever going to get

1627
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,760
and that's the way it has to be and now

1628
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:30,640
you may say

1629
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,029
first of all let me say this it ne

1630
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:41,920
it needs to happen as soon as possible

1631
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,160
in other words as far as i was concerned

1632
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:46,640
once biden took office hell it could

1633
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,319
have happened the next week

1634
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,760
and there's some compelling reasons for

1635
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:51,359
that

1636
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:56,640
about

1637
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:59,839
the storms are still raging the waves

1638
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,039
are high

1639
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:04,319
and so right now the number the things

1640
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:05,359
that are

1641
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:08,079
most impacting when these hearings get

1642
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:08,720
underway

1643
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:12,880
are one the

1644
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:17,200
progress of covid19 mutations

1645
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:18,960
and to what degree they're going to

1646
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,440
spread particularly in the u.s

1647
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:27,200
and how how yeah and how infectious they

1648
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:27,520
are

1649
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:30,720
and so forth that could extend this

1650
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,880
pandemic further than we had hoped

1651
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,400
i happen to believe that there's going

1652
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:38,240
to be one more surge it's just starting

1653
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,599
it's going to be the worst it's going to

1654
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:41,839
be very very bad

1655
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:45,039
but then there is the vaccine schedule

1656
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:48,960
and so while the the mutation

1657
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:51,680
variant problem is unfolding at the same

1658
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:52,559
time

1659
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,319
we are accelerating the vaccine delivery

1660
01:06:00,069 --> 01:05:58,720
and so if that continues at a strong

1661
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,079
pace

1662
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,119
that is going to help profoundly make it

1663
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,559
possible for these hearings so these are

1664
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:06,319
the two things and then there's a third

1665
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:07,119
thing

1666
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,119
in that some of the grotesque politics

1667
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:13,359
is still with us now there's things just

1668
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,559
didn't settle down

1669
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:17,200
after the election in november it got

1670
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:18,240
worse

1671
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,160
happened and so

1672
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:24,079
and in the politics in the senate

1673
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:25,440
because of the fact that

1674
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,520
things did not settle down the politics

1675
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:29,680
in congress particularly in the senate

1676
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,440
are toxic

1677
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:36,319
um uh boy what's the word i'm looking

1678
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:37,359
for it's

1679
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:40,559
it's it's bad okay extremely bad

1680
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:43,760
so these are the the ver the key

1681
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,640
variables

1682
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:47,200
all right there's four and i'm watching

1683
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,359
them very closely

1684
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:52,720
and as they begin to clarify

1685
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,880
then the potential for hearings is there

1686
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,319
now the advantage of that

1687
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,839
is that as we go forward in the in the

1688
01:07:02,069 --> 01:06:59,760
coming weeks maybe months

1689
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,079
i i just got lots of time to get in

1690
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,520
front of every freaking camera and

1691
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:04,799
television camera and

1692
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,200
microphone and talk about this at

1693
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,720
infinite

1694
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,039
i've already booked 69 interviews just

1695
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:12,799
this year

1696
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,559
i'll book another 100 over the next

1697
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,880
month or two easily maybe more

1698
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:19,520
uh so we we and others are joining in

1699
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:20,480
you've got

1700
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,599
doing things and

1701
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,640
and and and a lot i'm posting about this

1702
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:28,480
on facebook and twitter and podcasts and

1703
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,680
everything else so the

1704
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,280
the movement is actually building

1705
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:32,960
momentum

1706
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:36,079
as we wait for these variables to to

1707
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:37,599
change

1708
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,599
so what's the time frame

1709
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:43,200
now it can't there's no way it can

1710
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:46,240
happen before may

1711
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,280
probably not even before

1712
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:51,119
june june might be the absolute soonest

1713
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:52,559
at this point

1714
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,760
july is definitely a possibility

1715
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:58,240
so i'm looking in that june july time

1716
01:08:02,789 --> 01:07:59,760
frame

1717
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,799
and i'll finish with this

1718
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,480
if you're looking for one thing that

1719
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,920
might be a

1720
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,839
one next thing i've seen plenty of

1721
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:09,359
things but one next thing

1722
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:12,960
that might be a really strong tip off

1723
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,159
that these hearings are coming

1724
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,960
watch for a very significant

1725
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:21,120
investigative piece to drop in the new

1726
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,159
york times

1727
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,279
okay as you know they helped to launch

1728
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,120
this issue

1729
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,279
uh or this new phase with those articles

1730
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,159
in december of 2017.

1731
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:36,400
they've had three years they haven't

1732
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,839
done any significant follow-up they've

1733
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,040
been a few articles

1734
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,560
but they haven't done any investigative

1735
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,480
follow-ups the new york times has had

1736
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,560
three years to pick any aspect of this

1737
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:46,080
field this issue rather

1738
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,440
and and and put some serious

1739
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,120
investigative reporters on it

1740
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,040
and dig and come up with some

1741
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:53,440
interesting stuff

1742
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,440
i think they have done it and i think

1743
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,440
they've got some reports ready to go

1744
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:59,279
and the question is when do they launch

1745
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,480
them

1746
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,799
uh if one of those big reports turns up

1747
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,960
in the new york times that will be

1748
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:08,400
everyone's i think notice

1749
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:11,759
that the hearing process is still

1750
01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:32,709
[Music]

1751
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:46,070
it wasn't